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Cross-Section - The Celeste by Quarter-Virus Cross-Section - The Celeste by Quarter-Virus
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WARNING: OLD ART!! The art and comments in this Deviation may no longer represent the artist's current views or interests.

Homework for LASALLE College of the Arts: Attempted a cross-section of Louis's ship. Perspective issues abound.


--Sak
All characters and artwork © Shamine Athena King
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:iconmurielle:
Murielle Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012
I come forth once more bearing historical reference..well sorta. There are some Osprey books that you might want to look into on this subject. Not exactly the period I recall you planning on, but probably better than nothing. Also don't know how easily one can get a hold of these where you are, but for historical reference, they are the best go-to publishers. Ah, if only you were doing Napoleonic, I could just throw my Dad at you, he has lectured on the ships of that era.

[link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link]
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:iconquarter-virus:
Quarter-Virus Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012  Professional Filmographer
;____;

Thank youuuuu.

I'll try to get my hands on lots more reference material, definitely.
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:iconmurielle:
Murielle Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012
Welcome!

...And I know it looks like I am a walking commercial for this publisher, but I swear I don't work for them. I just really like their books. ;p
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:iconquarter-virus:
Quarter-Virus Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012  Professional Filmographer
They look like they're very handy.
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:iconmurielle:
Murielle Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2012
Oh they are. Especially for military/naval reference, which is their main focus. I really like some of their books about ancients because they also include some of the non-military aspects for the sake of better understanding. Also doesn't hurt that one of my favorite artists (Angus McBride) did a number of their books.

/blahblahblah
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:iconquarter-virus:
Quarter-Virus Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012  Professional Filmographer
WOULDN'T YOU KNOW. I found a SHELF full of Osprey books at a store here ... AND NONE OF THEM WERE FOR THE TIME PERIOD I NEED. *sob*
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:iconmurielle:
Murielle Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2012
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! ;A;
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DragonoftheMoon13 Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
wooot! dude, LOVE the boat!
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:iconleeannett:
leeannett Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Student Artist
don't be so hard on ur self it looks beautiful and the gold seahorse is a new and lovely Addison u don't see very often
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kiolia Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012
Frankly, there ain't nobody out there who knows anything about drawing sailing ships. Well, that's an exaggeration (since I do!) but old sailing ships are preposterously complicated machines. Sailing is one of those subjects that people think they understand intuitively because it looks simple, but ... they don't. The good thing is, since nobody knows anything about old sailing ships, you can get away with a lot. I can tell you this from experience. I can also tell you from experience that if you do decide to get even halfway knowledgeable about them, it's going to eventually make you cringe at most paintings of ships and every ship in a movie for you, ever, except maybe in Master and Commander. If you need references, by the way, I'd suggest trying to lay hands on a stack of WoodenBoat magazines. It wouldn't cover a ship from this era, but they're chock full of gorgeous photos and references galore. Another very good reference tool would be models -- the good wooden kinds you see in museums, not the ones you get at hobby lobby for your mantel -- it just so happens that you can find PDF manuals of some of those models for free online. (Google "rattlesnake ship model manual" and one should pop up first thing for you).
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:iconquarter-virus:
Quarter-Virus Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012  Professional Filmographer
Good lord! That was a frighteningly detailed manual! Thanks very much for the feedback. I love and loathe ships all at the same time, their construction, shapes, and all that rigging baffle me! I'll definitely keep all your suggestions in mind when I revise this more in future.
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kiolia Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2012
Glad it was helpful! The construction and rigging actually start to make sense when you get a chance to dig into them a little. At first, though, it all looks like a big blooie because there are so many pieces or "systems" packed in with each other. Square-rigged ships were extremely high-tech for their time!
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KimmiComics Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Student Digital Artist
woah, you did some real good research :D
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jewlogic Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012
not gonna lie, my first thought was that neopets deckswabber game. :p IT LOOKS REALLY GOOD THOUGH. DONT TAKE THIS AS AN INSULT OR SOMETHING. U__U
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ATreeFullOfStars Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I've seen a couple of your drawings for this on the front page recently and... I think... I think I'm falling in love. <3

XD I've gooooot to see the animation when it's finished, that's all I can say.
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ZlobaNajvacsia Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012
very nice
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nonamestray Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I know you're your own worst critic, but this is really nice.....I like how the story progress and I really enjoy the new levels of depth, that comes each time we see something new from you :)

Keep it up.
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liquid-table Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012
Are you certain that the word you weren't looking for is "Hippogriff" for the figure-head? The Hippocampus is a portion of the brain.
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:iconquarter-virus:
Quarter-Virus Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Professional Filmographer
The hippocampus (brain) gets its name from the mythological creature the Hippocampus/Hippocamp/Seahorse: [link] [link]
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liquid-table Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
Cool, I learned something new today!
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Arekasadaro Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012
Right mate, it should be Hippocamp.
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twins6292 Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012
awsome detail! i just love the design!
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carlos62 Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012
Beautiful
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TheodenN Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012   Digital Artist
This is a great job. But I think the perspective on the back part of the ship is a little wierd. It looks a little bit forced/twisted to take that position. I guess you wanted to show certain details and twisted the ships back-end.
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:iconquarter-virus:
Quarter-Virus Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Professional Filmographer
As stated, it's very, horribly wrong.
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DuctTapeLord Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012
why is it flying german colors?


also why isn't the captain's cabin and the stern aligned with the galley?
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:iconquarter-virus:
Quarter-Virus Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Professional Filmographer
Those are French colors of the seventeenth century.
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:iconducttapelord:
DuctTapeLord Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012
black and gold?

isn't that HRE's?
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:iconquarter-virus:
Quarter-Virus Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Professional Filmographer
It's blue.
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:iconducttapelord:
DuctTapeLord Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012
besides the fleur-de-lis you'd think it's HRE from afar.

must be the shadows on the blue.
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ClariceDK Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012
The ornament of the bowsprit it's well wrought...good job my friend!
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ERBlountIII Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012
Mind if I borrow parts of the detail for an air ship design? I'll definitely credit you.

Richard
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:iconquarter-virus:
Quarter-Virus Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Professional Filmographer
I wouldn't recommend using this for a reference. The perspective, angle, and proportions are all wrong. I'd recommend just searching for "Ship of the Line" on Google for a quick sweep.
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FallenAngel-chan Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012
this ship is FAAAAAAAAAAAABULUS
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:iconpiimocial:
Piimocial Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
STRIKING OwO
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:iconfunkychinaman:
funkychinaman Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Professional
is jan urshel teaching this?
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:iconbuddhahand:
buddhahand Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012
would be totally cool if someone could build you a model of your ship!
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butanokaabii Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012
This ship is wonderfully fancy and incredibly detailed. It certainly looks hard to draw, but the result is great.
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SmartGem Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012
this is frikkin beautiful~
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Gyromorgian Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
It ain't a pirate ship without a brig.
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TheatreCat Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012
This is a very beautiful drawing, with lots of great details showing that you really did your research. The design of the ship and the level of decoration look appropriate for the late 17th Century (which I presume is the approximate era of your story, given the character designs). The colours you've chosen give Celeste a very delicate and elegant appearance, much like her captain. White and gold are also associated with French nobility. The details of the captain's cabin are very nice, looking comfortable and elegant while still being functional.

As you have noted, there are some problems with the perspective here. Ships of that era had an annoying number of compound curves. If it's any consolation, many famous painters of the period had trouble getting them right, too.

A few specific notes, for historical accuracy:

Ships of that era had a lot of "tumblehome": They got narrower above the waterline. Celeste's forecastle should be noticeably narrower than her upper deck. They also had very round bows, so Celeste's bow should look nearly semi-circular when seen from the quarter like this.

The keel should run the full length of the ship, rather than ending level with the quarterdeck.

The foremast should be further forward: about where the front of the grating on the forecastle is, rather than astern of it. (A grating on the forecastle is probably not a good idea, by the way, since the forecastle will get very wet in stormy weather, and even a well-sealed hatch is going to leak a fair amount.)

As someone mentioned earlier, large, heavy things (like shot, cargo, and especially cannons) need to be fastened down on a seagoing ship, or they will move around in heavy seas, crushing crew members and possibly causing the ship to capsize. Cannonballs (when not stored in the hold) were kept in "shot garlands", which were planks with holes drilled in them for the balls to fit into, to keep them from rolling. Google "shot garland"; the first few pictures have some good examples.

Any good-sized ship will need several boats of different sizes so that the crew can travel between ships or from ship to shore. These would usually be stored on davits on either side of the quarterdeck, and upside-down on the main deck.

Sorry about the essay. As you can probably tell, I have more than a casual interest in sailing ships.

Anyway, as I said, this is a very good piece of work, especially for a first attempt at a difficult subject. Nicely done!
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:iconquarter-virus:
Quarter-Virus Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012  Professional Filmographer
Thank you very much for that feedback. x___X Ships might just be the bane of my existance, but unfortunately I have at least three different "sets" of characters that use them regularly. It's definitely very helpful to get feedback from someone who knows their stuff! I'll keep it in mind when I work out the kinks of the layout designs in future.
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TheatreCat Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012
I'm glad that you found my comment helpful. I was a bit worried, rereading it after posting, that it came across more like a condescending lecture than constructive feedback, so I'm relieved that you took it the way it was intended.

Anyway, continue the good work! You've got a lot of great stuff in your gallery. I think I shall watch you, if you don't mind.
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Quarter-Virus Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012  Professional Filmographer
I absolutely don't mind constructive feedback like that, especially since I wasn't aware of these things myself so it's definitely handy. Of course I don't mind, go right ahead, and feel free to lecture me on ships in future. =P
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ClariceDK Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012
I agree with you my friend
If you watch Pirates of the Caribbean 3, have a part that they want to "turn" the ship, then they say to "untie" the cannons (I think is that). I try to understand that type of things since I read "The treasure island". I like to learn about sailing ships as well.
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Larkynn Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Wow, I love all the details in this. Very pretty!
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:iconpeaniko:
Peaniko Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Student Digital Artist
:o Celeste is what I named my piano when I was little XD and I like the ship design, even if you hate drawing them.
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MabelleRoseFitzcaius Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Well tha's brilliant.

MRF
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MistressOfTheVoid Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
What a beautiful ship she is! :) A lovely name too! :heart:
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MorrisCat Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012
Woot! this is fantastic! I love the deck plans!
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